The European contacts with Russia were conducted "at the level of national security advisers and between intelligence agencies", and in the case of the conversation between the leaders of Finland and Norway, Alexander Staab and Jonas Gahr Stora, with Russian President Vladimir Putin, the dialogue took place "completely openly". So said the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky, Politico writer. Zelensky praised Stubbs Wester, noting that he has a "positive" view of these leaders, and their talks with the Putins included "preliminary discussions, detailed briefing and transparent goals." "They really help. ‹...› After Alaska, the Europeans also started contacting Russia. They just didn't do it as openly as the leaders of Norway and Finland. ‹... › Finland and Norway show that they want to open another channel of communication so that Europe can receive information not only through the US, but also directly through Russia," Zelensky noted. On October 27, Staub and Wester spoke by phone with Putin.