The nation, the government and the rule of law (part five) audio version ▫ What was Iran, what is it today and how can it be known? The fifth part of the program "Nation, Government and Law" in the form of the Sarbostan program begins with this question; A conversation between Mustafa Sadeh, researcher of economic law and host of the program, and Ebrahim Jabati, researcher of history, in which the connection between "national affairs" and nationalism, the place of the constitution and the rule of law in Iran's political system, and the role of the Persian language in creating and preserving territorial ties are discussed. ▫ In this conversation, "national interest" as a common face of people of different languages, religions, ethnicities and classes is distinguished from nationalism as a political ideology. Also, by reviewing the constitutional experience and criticizing several intellectual and political currents, the speakers address the question of how concepts such as Iran, religion, identity and even language have become tools for political struggle and gaining power in different historical periods. "Nation, government and law" in this section, from the discussion about the constitution, the Persian language and the dispute over national identity, is an attempt to re-read Iran and find a basis for understanding it, beyond ideologies and political conflicts. ▫ Mustafa Sadegh wrote in the introduction to this program: Iran is the national affairs of Iranians. Iran is a common area and it belongs to all Iranians. Protecting the interests of Iranians is the measuring scale of politicians and statesmen. He wants what belongs to all Iranians for himself.