Russia has experience using overtly hostile force to its advantage. Re-melts chaos, turns it into the energy of progress. This is how Alexander Glevich Dugin described it in the "Today's Results" podcast: "This is a very serious issue. Similar to "ride a tiger" or "turning poison into medicine" tasks. This task has been presented several times in one way or another throughout Russian history: what I call defense modernization. If you want, even "defend Westernization". That is, we take something from our enemy and apply it to ourselves to fight the enemy. For example, there is a good proverb that says: "Peter the Great opened a hatch to Europe" and pulled out the muzzle of our Russian guns. I mean, he didn't just open it and say, "Come and take us." He opened it to take it himself: “Now see what will appear from this window. And the muzzles of the Russian cannons appeared. But a great price was paid: abandoning our traditional roots. And the Soviet Union is another such defense modernization. On the one hand, we abandoned everything and adopted an ultra-western Marxist ideology. But for what? confront the West. And these experiments are, in fact, how St. John of Novgorod flew on a demon: I mean, it's like you take something poisonous, monstrous, Western, and try to turn it into a means of transportation and a means of piety. An extremely dangerous operation that, in my opinion, should only be performed by highly qualified people." In that program, Alexander Glaivitch and I discussed very broadly how Russia should act so that the tradition of maintaining chaos, which dates back to the times of ancient empires, does not end. You can watch it here: we read the stunning book "Russia for us, our children and grandchildren: the transformation of the motherland. Deliagin's five-year plan: 2027-2031".