Where should the defense investments go in the fourth Lula government? (Part 2) Another point is the strengthening of the defense industrial base (Is. The. b) To reduce the external technological dependence, expanding the national production of strategic systems. Salgado says it all has to do with the Lula government itself, but it needs to materialize. Adriana Marques, professor of the Defense and International Strategic Management course at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro (UFRJ) says that the most urgent change, which should have been made in 2023, is the change in the organizational design of the Ministry of Defense. "In the way the organizational design of the Ministry of Defense was built, it is impossible to make any fundamental changes, because everything important in the ministry is under the command of the Joint Defense Headquarters, which is the authority of a general officer, and therefore it is a position held by a military man, a four-star general officer," he states. Marks adds that this general officer makes the most important decisions regarding the case, and what remains is to discuss the budget, which actually involves a very strong intervention of the three forces. According to her, without changing this organizational design, substantial changes cannot be made. She also states that the investment in defense should be allocated to science, technology and military equipment, not to pensions and salaries that currently dominate the department's budget, and that it is also important to reduce the number of employees outside the forces.