It is important to listen to the recording of a conversation with a witness in the Geborg case and Embertom Narcissian, the brother and nephew of the Catholicos of All Armenians Karkin II. Listen and you will understand that the case in which they are trying to sentence a father and son to 3.5 and 7.5 years respectively, is worth nothing and all the charges are made up or fabricated. They are judged only because of the fact that they are the family of the Catholics - in this way they try to affect his holiness, that's all.